A Presidential Proclamation
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor–and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be–That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks–for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation–for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war–for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed–for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted–for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.
[A]nd also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions–to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually–to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed–to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord–To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us–and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
G Washington
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Cari says:
November 28, 2009 at 11:36 pm
MK says:
November 28, 2009 at 10:11 pm
did someone, of the female persuasion, say something about blueberry pie……?
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Ooohhh, Michael. I wish we were closer, i’d be able to share. ( i tried placing it on the keyboard and hitting submit, but the crumbs got mangled up in my keyboard)
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probably just as well we dont…i’d make a total AZTEK of myself…..
Testing smilies………..
Now I know how….
just enough to be dangerous…..
MK says:
November 29, 2009 at 11:18 am
how does one deny anyone civil rights in civil court? Makes joke of our system if they try that.
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This is about KSM from earlier: It may mean that if you commit a crime against the USA, you had better make certain you’re not out of status, or you have no rights.
if they are going to try ksm in civil court, then he has to given civil rights. Question is,…will the fact that he was not mirandized have any bearing. and how do they get around it. It is after all, a big piece of our system.
That’s where the AG disagrees; he believes that he has no rights even in civilian court. As stated earlier, a court would have to rule.
the AG does not make up the rules as he goes along. This is what will make our court, on the eyes of the world, a joke. The world may insist on a world court trial…just to make it fair….a progressive goal i might add….so maybe there is a method to the madness.
MK… Tell me constitutionally how the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to these guys. They are in our custody, they are in our jurisdiction (who elses jurisdiction would they be in?) They are “Persons” The 14th says all persons are to get Equal protection with Citizens and the same due process… if it was just citizens, that part of the wording would be redundant and not nessisary in the document… it makes the difference between citizen and simply persons here.
And don’t go off on all the He’s a legal combattant mumbo jumbo.. the Constitutions lists two types of people… Citizens and and all other persons
war prisoners during WW11 were in our custody too (on US soil), did they get civil or military trials? Just to be fair,..i have original war trail papers to make my point.
i think pub addressed the amendment question quite nicely earlier
The operative clause to which you’re referring is the first clause (C1) of XIV. Many have assumed that XIV extended certain constitutional protections to the states’ citizens, and the federal courts have repeatedly claimed it to be so, but taken in the context of the day, it should be clear that was not the purpose of the amendment. And, too, there remain questions as to the legality of its ratification, but that’s a matter for another day.
The primary purpose of XIV C1, coming so soon after the end of the war between the states and the passage of XIII, was to right a wrong perpetrated against the slaves. While XIII had abolished the institution of slavery, it had changed nothing with regard to the status of those who had been slaves, leaving them in a virtual no-man’s land. XIV C1 simply said that those who had been slaves were to be extended every right of citizenship in the United States, and that neither the federal government nor a state was to do anything that would deprive them of those rights.
Since that time, the perversion of C1’s meaning has resulted in outrageous excesses. Today, it is routinely used to confer citizenship on the infant whose mother stepped across our southern border to give birth–precisely because that mother knew she could do so and, in the process, manage to get herself, and quite possibly other members of her family, into the states. Today, the federal government uses it to impose its will upon the states, frequently striking down state laws as being unconsitutional, even though those laws are consistent with the states’ constitutions. Worse, C1 has been used to permit litigants to use the federal courts to overturn the decisions of state courts, usually under the pretense that someone’s civil rights have been violated, or that due process was not afforded him. Remember, prior to XIV, once a state’s courts had decided a case, it was closed, but with this newfound power, the federal government yet again usurped another of the states’ sovereign powers, powers that had been reserved to the states upon ratifying the Constitution.
Again, read in the context of the time, the meaning of XIV C1 applied to one demographic, to right an onerous wrong. Since then, its meaning has been perverted and expanded to further subjugate the states to the federal will. Given that, the states may as well succumb to the inevitable, shutting down their powerless governments in recognition of federal supremacy.
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per Publicus
MK,
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Been watching for what’s both a Local and National Story – Tiger Woods. The latest:
WINDERMERE, Fla. — Police have released the 911 recording of a call made by Tiger Woods’ neighbor after the golfer hit a fire hydrant and a tree outside his house early Friday morning.
Also Sunday, in a statement posted on his Web site, Woods said the car crash that sent him to a hospital is his fault and has become embarrassing to him and his family, but he plans to keep it a private matter.
He then declined a police interview for a third time. Sgt. Kim Montes of the Florida Highway Patrol said Woods’ lawyer did not reschedule the meeting.
Three times the police wanted to speak to him, and three times he didn’t want to. The story was that his wife broke out the back window of the car with a golf club to get him out, but then the story was updated later to say both back windows were broken out. I’ve already concluded it’s probably related to a domestic dispute. And more than likely – A woman’s scorn. Everything seems to point to it. Not a Happy Thanksgiving for the Woods family.
It is time for us to start making noice in support of the Navy Seals. They are always in physical contact with the idiots out there, who put our people’s bodies dangling from the bridge. I wonder what kind ot torture they had to suffer.
Political correctness there again….
Those guys on the Bridge were Blackwater mercenaries.. the Geneva convention doesn’t cover them.
Their citizens none-the-less, just like you or I. These people that did this were listed among some of the most wanted. Wherever I go, I would like to think that someone’s got my interestS in mind, and not the other way around. A fat lip, or hanging from a bridge – Who got the better deal AZ?
just like it does not cover terrorist (mercenaries as well)..right. War crimes are war crimes aztek…no matter who they are against.
why do you want to give rights and protection to terrorist but not to employees of the US govt. They were hired by the US govt…correct me if i’m wrong.
On this one though, I have to believe Obama learned about it at the same time that you and I did—through the news. This was likely not his call.
Instead, this sounds like a superior with an axe to grind.
And by superior, I have to believe one immediately above.
But Obama also has the power to stop it. No different than with Holder. He’s the Boss of all Bosses.
Is there precedent though? I have seen it done with civilians, but not those within the UCMJ, at least not that I recall in the history of the USA.
president can pardon anybody….just check the list.
That also depends on if it is more than just a fat lip…i.e., internal injuries.
That there’s no precedent means nothing, except that no commander-in-chief has done so before. As the commander and president, Obama certainly has that power.
everything the military did was laid at bushs feet when he CIC,…so to for ob…..no excuses.
Much of the stuff was undeserved. Similarly, laying this at Obama’s feet is undeserved.
many things are undeserved…but it is part of the job…now it is his decision as to what to do about it.
They were human beings. Geneva Convention makes no difference. They felt the pain of torture, which I am sure took place. Eye for eye is what the terrorists understand.
More than 650,994 loan revisions had been started through the Obama administration’s Home Affordable Modification Program as of last month, from about 487,081 as of September, according to the Treasury. None of the trial modifications through October had been converted to permanent repayment plans, the Treasury data showed. That failure is getting the administration’s attention.
None? Out of 651,000 “trial” modifications none have turned into a permanent repayment plan?
Another failed govt program another promise not kept. Yet so many are willing to turn over 1/6 of our economy to the govt. Can anyone name a govt run program involving huge sums of money that are a success? Unfunded liabilities are now over 100 trillion
They’re too busy with Healthcare to be bothered by such things. Nice to know that they’ve got their priorities straight. It’s all about them, not about us, or even what’s good for this Country. It’s what’s good for them – What the other good Democrats couldn’t do over the years. It’s ‘historic,’ don’t you know? And what’s even more mind boggling, they actually believe that they’ll be hailed for it. Among themselves maybe.
President Obama has pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our federal budget deficit over the next decade. Do you think that President Obama will be able to keep his promise or do you think that any health care plan that Congress passes and President Obama signs will add to the federal budget deficit?”
The answer: Less than one-fifth of the voters — 19 percent of the sample — think he will keep his word. Nine of 10 Republicans and eight of 10 independents said that whatever passes will add to the torrent of red ink. By a margin of four to three, even Democrats agreed this is likely.
With numbers like the above, we the people are just forgotten about. Pass a bill regardless of what the people support.
Yes, he pledged that. And yes, he knows it will be more than what he pledged. But he’s the part of the program – He wants his name on it. Something he’s bound to regret. History, will not be so forgiving.
Obama wants to control everything. Now he has another change. Do it right, be on side of the americans.
if you are not on his side then you are an unAmerican , am talk show listening ,rightwing radical extremist. that debate is over.
aztek..just to save you the trouble:
Publicus says:
November 29, 2009 at 11:02 am
Adam (New York) says:
November 28, 2009 at 10:35 pm (Edit)
Vis a vis Potter Stewart…didn’t the 14th Amendment extend much of the Constitution to the states, incorporating the Constitution? I do notice that he was in the dissent a lot.
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The operative clause to which you’re referring is the first clause (C1) of XIV. Many have assumed that XIV extended certain constitutional protections to the states’ citizens, and the federal courts have repeatedly claimed it to be so, but taken in the context of the day, it should be clear that was not the purpose of the amendment. And, too, there remain questions as to the legality of its ratification, but that’s a matter for another day.
The primary purpose of XIV C1, coming so soon after the end of the war between the states and the passage of XIII, was to right a wrong perpetrated against the slaves. While XIII had abolished the institution of slavery, it had changed nothing with regard to the status of those who had been slaves, leaving them in a virtual no-man’s land. XIV C1 simply said that those who had been slaves were to be extended every right of citizenship in the United States, and that neither the federal government nor a state was to do anything that would deprive them of those rights.
Since that time, the perversion of C1’s meaning has resulted in outrageous excesses. Today, it is routinely used to confer citizenship on the infant whose mother stepped across our southern border to give birth–precisely because that mother knew she could do so and, in the process, manage to get herself, and quite possibly other members of her family, into the states. Today, the federal government uses it to impose its will upon the states, frequently striking down state laws as being unconsitutional, even though those laws are consistent with the states’ constitutions. Worse, C1 has been used to permit litigants to use the federal courts to overturn the decisions of state courts, usually under the pretense that someone’s civil rights have been violated, or that due process was not afforded him. Remember, prior to XIV, once a state’s courts had decided a case, it was closed, but with this newfound power, the federal government yet again usurped another of the states’ sovereign powers, powers that had been reserved to the states upon ratifying the Constitution.
Again, read in the context of the time, the meaning of XIV C1 applied to one demographic, to right an onerous wrong. Since then, its meaning has been perverted and expanded to further subjugate the states to the federal will. Given that, the states may as well succumb to the inevitable, shutting down their powerless governments in recognition of federal supremacy.
Thanks for bringing that forward, MK. I’m particularly interested in Adam’s take on it, since it was his question originally.
aztek has been posting that same question for days. no matter how i answered it,..it just did not satisfy him. your post should settle the question….i know it wont, because aztek will only accept his own interpretations, but it does an excellent job of explaining it.
See my comment, immediately below, for further clarification. I think you’ll find it useful ammo for the future.
aztekclub says:
November 29, 2009 at 4:43 pm (Edit)
MK… Tell me constitutionally how the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to these guys. They are in our custody, they are in our jurisdiction (who elses jurisdiction would they be in?) …
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Aztek, the language of the amendment was understood to mean, “not owing allegiance to anybody else . . . subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.” This is taken from The Heritage Guide to the Constitution, edited by Edwin Meese. For context, I provide the following:
Accordingly, these terrorists are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
So who’s jurisdiction ARE they under… you guys never seem to answer this question.
Hmmmmmm. Seems pretty clear to me. How is it that you don’t get it? If they have no allegiance to the United States (thus making them subject to our laws while here, but not subject to absolute jurisdiction), then it stands to reason that their allegiance is to their own countries of origin and, therefore, they are fully subject to those countries’ jurisdictions.
Your assertion that “[we] never seem to answer this question” is fallacious. The question you ask that you claim we never answer is irrelevant, in that it is only necessary that we show the terrorists don’t fit the jurisdiction definition of XIV; that does not require that we show where, specifically, on the globe such jurisdiction might be found.
Publicus… Every definition I’ve found for Jurisdiction talks about “Being in the state of having authority to enforce laws” You seem to be assuming that you can only be tried by a country to agree has authority over you. Are we trying these guys under US law? If so, then they are to get equal protection UNDER that law.
So, let’s get our priorities in order. We should not send a single additional dollar in aid or add a single American serviceman or woman to the 68,000 already courageously deployed in Afghanistan until we see a meaningful move by the Karzai regime to root out its corruption, assemble a more representative coalition government, and demonstrate some measure of transparency and accountability under the rule of law.
One of the Democrats. Obviously, he didn’t hear Obamas War of Necessity speech. How do we ever hope to win a war. General says he needs help and he receives this type response. I only hope when they need additional resources such as toilet paper it will not take months for a decision.
Agreed, ammo!
meaningful move by the Karzai regime to root out its corruption,
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as i said in an earlier post…before we start admonishing others for their corruption….maybe we should start with our own. What kind of example are we setting for them. I agree with you, but we need to clean up our own mess as well.
Right on. Let’s see how uncorrupt our next election will be. Let’s see where the stimulus money is going. Let’s see how the bribing continues
(Landrau 300Mil).
to be honest,..congress has always been like this,..they were called favors at one time. Its the openness of the bribes,..the ‘in your face’ bribes that is galling. Its like they dont care who knows about the corruption,….landrau even bragged about it. Its the end of the second roman empire unless someone kills the ‘Caesar’ ( metophorically speaking) before its too late.
Interesting, though, that we heard that Reid had put $100M in the bill, but Landrieu said the actual number was $300M. Somebody playing with the numbers?
the ethics are just nonexistent with this admin. They used do this in the backroom, because it would be embarrassing to get caught ,….but with no ethics….there is no embarrassment, no shame, and no concern for the people they are suppose to be representing..
MK, see the newest thread for a discussion on one of the ways we can achieve that. Sure to ruffle a few feathers, particularly, I’m guessing, Aztek’s.
The mention of Landrau made me think of the Red river flood last year. People themselves and national guard went to work without waiting for FEMA to show up. Those floods were devasating in a large ares. Not much publisity and no blaming FEMA. What about it Reid?
this admin doesn’t care about middle America…they did not vote for him.
Funny how that works, isn’t it? Disaster happens and what do we do? Sit back and wait for the government to come to the rescue. See what happens when we convince ourselves that government is the answer to every question, the solution to every problem, and the cure to every ill?
Major difference: there, we are talking about a very sparsely populated area. In the case of Louisiana, you have many more to get out of the way, and a city already under sea level. Not an apples-to-apples comparison.
same difference adam…people in trouble, people needing help. the only difference is that the people in N.O. were used to the govt doing everything for them, and they got what the govt gave them,…they’re own state govt…not the feds. The other folks,…the ones that took care of themselves….the were not suckers….they were self reliant.
Not to mention the fact that many were able-bodied (as evidenced by their visits to the local stores to “liberate” La-Z-Boys and plasma TVs), but refused to take any action to get out of town. Some will argue that they had no transportation, but I would submit that their legs weren’t broken …
Cannot help but think what USSR was like. They couldn’t feed their own people. Obama’s stash has to dry up soon. They cannot print too many more dollars.
ammoretired says:
November 29, 2009 at 6:09 pm
So, let’s get our priorities in order. We should not send a single additional dollar in aid or add a single American serviceman or woman to the 68,000 already courageously deployed in Afghanistan until we see a meaningful move by the Karzai regime to root out its corruption, assemble a more representative coalition government, and demonstrate some measure of transparency and accountability under the rule of law.
One of the Democrats. Obviously, he didn’t hear Obamas War of Necessity speech. How do we ever hope to win a war. General says he needs help and he receives this type response. I only hope when they need additional resources such as toilet paper it will not take months for a decision.
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The General also failed to notice that his men and women are not being seen in a favorable light by the locals. Whatever Democrat said that is probably the only person that gets it.
Luoisiana did not spring into action to help. Empty school buses not used. Local goverment unorganized. They could have done much more. As we know they had to ask federal help before they could come in. Everyone there stood with their hands in the air. Later Bush’s fault, FEMA’s fault.
Uh, what was with those NORTA buses that sat and were lost? Some buses had to be sent down from NYC (causing service decreases here) to help.
Google Red river floods and see pictures under what conditions people worked to help themselves.
Adam, I see you’ve still not responded to my comments on your XIV questions. Why not?
Aztek, I also see that you’ve chosen not to respond to my last comment to you …
A Karl Rove endorsement Of Obama’s Afghanistan’s actions:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107104574571852549048542.html
Yesterday, I got a big chuckle from one of the talk shows as to how some conversatives would rather chew glass, than praise him in any respect such as the ‘courage’ that it took for him to increase the troops in Afghanistan – Totally in oppositon of his base. I thought it was funny, still do. Crunch, crunch, crunch…
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