2011-Week 51
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Well , I listened to Newt , and I need to again , it was packed with info . It was worth the time
Newt is a deflating balloon being pumped up by the money of one miiliinaire
The father if lies is looking to attack us… its not a political battle we are in its a spiritual one… this us what we want?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57382008-503544/santorum-in-08-satan-is-attacking-america/
It’s not a stretch if you believe in God. Which 80 some odd percent of people do. If there’s good, then there is evil.
Makes you wonder if all members of the press are atheist or are they really that hypocritical and in the bag for Obama.
I believe in God and I don’t believe all of our ills are due to demonic onslaught
There you go using that all word again. Nor do I
Rupert Murdoch is attacking??????????????????
Obama does not deserve another term says:
February 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Simple solution Mr. Aztek…Mr. Obama could stop appointing radicals.
…but that’s not likely to happen, is it?
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Not with the current stable of far rightwingers it is not. For what I see is that ANYONE who does not share total concurrence and unwavering agreement to all their positions is radical.
Here is a “radical” idea, people DISAGREE with the far rightwing, get over it. But since you are speaking now as an authority……please tell us just what is so radical about those 90 nominees. I mean you support the BLOCKING of their appoitments, so I am sure you are completely well versed on each of these 90 people, correct??????????????????????? Yeah, did NOT think so. Can I have another soundbyte, please? How about class warfare……..or coddling terrorists. Come on, what is the top ten on the Heritage Talking Points of the day?
Boy santourum says we are at war with the devil…and Obama is appointing radicals/
We are and he is.
So come on Obama Does, you implied all 90 of these are radical…..let us see how well you even know they are. Can you even name the 90? Please tell us something radical about half of them………….since you seem to know them all?
Get over yourself Mr. LeftyBill.
It’s not my fault Mr. Obama has taken the radically partisan approach to governing that he has. It’s not my fault he surrounds himself with the Van Joneses of the world.
No sir, I do not know every one of those 90 nominees, do you? I didn’t think so.
However, I DO know about Obama’s certified hard core left wing record. That must is not deniable. I imagine the Senators and reps blocking these nominees know more about them I do…I’m guessing they know more than you do too.
The D’s blocked the previous POTUS’ nominees frequently enough…Welcome to US politics in the modern era.
Nope, but I did “NOT” imply their were radical, you did. So back it up. And please NO Heritage blogs…….just a little blurb on say 45 of them.
You mean the tax exempt Koch brothers funded biased think tank?
And that would be how much again?
Shwing and a miss at attempted deflection.
Good effort though Mr. LeftyBill.
General Election: Romney vs. Obama
Gingrich vs. Obama | Santorum vs. Obama | Paul vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) Romney (R) Spread
RCP Average 2/8 – 2/21 — 49.1 43.4 Obama +5.7
Rasmussen Tracking 2/19 – 2/21 1500 LV 47 41 Obama +6
Associated Press/GfK 2/16 – 2/20 1000 A 51 43 Obama +8
Quinnipiac 2/14 – 2/20 2605 RV 46 44 Obama +2
Democracy Corps (D) 2/11 – 2/14 1000 LV 49 45 Obama +4
CNN/Opinion Research 2/10 – 2/13 937 RV 51 46 Obama +5
CBS News/NY Times 2/8 – 2/13 1604 RV 48 42 Obama +6
PPP (D) 2/9 – 2/12 1200 RV 49 42 Obama +7
Pew Research 2/8 – 2/12 1172 RV 52 44 Obama +8
Bam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boom!
Wow Im stunned..we are In a crappy economy.. but we’ve had 23 months of job growth.. yer not gonna win in the economy if this keeps up.
What did Obama promise about unemployment if we let him spend more than a TRILLION dollars of money we didn’t have?
I’ll wait right here for your answer Mr. Aztek
23 months of job growth
Your free to provide the answer anytime now Mr. Aztek.
Or will this be one of those cases where once a liberal in cornered in his own failed logic he’ll start trying to change the subject?
Well sir, which is going to be?
So you’re mad that it didn’t improve as fast as he had originally hoped? You gotta remember he had NO help from the republicans intact they blocked him every way they could
Biff!
Thump!
Yeah, Baby Boomers are getting older, retiring and leaving the workforce. Now there is a susprise. Wonder how long it took Heritage to figure that one out.
This is what we call “so what” data. Throw up a chart with NO qualifiers, no data fields, and no source.
In other words……the Fox way.
We know Mr. LeftyBill. You don’t have to constantly remind the forum that statistics only count when you approve of the kind of paper they are written on
It’s early. And quite frankly with that low of support, you get one R nominee and not 4, gas hits 5 a gal I wouldn’t be cheering yet bam bam.
General Election: Santorum vs. Obama
Romney vs. Obama | Gingrich vs. Obama | Paul vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) Santorum (R) Spread
RCP Average 2/8 – 2/21 — 49.7 43.3 Obama +6.4
Rasmussen Tracking 2/19 – 2/21 1500 LV 46 43 Obama +3
Associated Press/GfK 2/16 – 2/20 1000 A 52 43 Obama +9
Quinnipiac 2/14 – 2/20 2605 RV 47 44 Obama +3
CNN/Opinion Research 2/10 – 2/13 937 RV 52 45 Obama +7
CBS News/NY Times 2/8 – 2/13 1604 RV 49 41 Obama +8
PPP (D) 2/9 – 2/12 1200 RV 49 44 Obama +5
Pew Research 2/8 – 2/12 1172 RV 53 43 Obama +10
Bam,Bam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama
Romney vs. Obama | Santorum vs. Obama | Paul vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) Gingrich (R) Spread
RCP Average 2/8 – 2/20 — 53.0 39.3 Obama +13.7
Associated Press/GfK 2/16 – 2/20 1000 A 52 42 Obama +10
Quinnipiac 2/14 – 2/20 2605 RV 50 39 Obama +11
Rasmussen Reports 2/14 – 2/15 1000 LV 51 37 Obama +14
CNN/Opinion Research 2/10 – 2/13 937 RV 55 42 Obama +13
CBS News/NY Times 2/8 – 2/13 1604 RV 54 36 Obama +18
PPP (D) 2/9 – 2/12 1200 RV 52 40 Obama +12
Pew Research 2/8 – 2/12 1172 RV 57 39 Obama +18
Bam, Bam, Bam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama 2012!!!! Deal with it.
This suggests he’ll lose…deal with it
Pow!
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn, not much of a pow. But if you think so, rock on. Keep posting charts until you are blue in the face. I am concerned with VOTERs, not charts. Call Ross Perot, he may be interested. He likes charts.
I know…as with most commited extreme liberals, the economy only matters when an R is POTUS
And deficits only matter when a Dem is in charge
Is that so? I seem to recall reading MANY posts from others here suggesting Bush’s deficit spending pizzed them off every bit as much as Obama’s.
Have you been reading this forum for very long Mr. Aztek? I’ve only been here a few months and have a read a LOT of posts bitching about R’s too…and not just from you committed Obama supporters.
Really? Dick Chaney said deficits don’t matter
Reagan proofed it :
http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm
..and Dick Cheney has what to do with the people posting on this forum???
When are you going to directly address specific debate topics rather than dodge and change the subject when a tough question is presented?
I give you my “Obama’s promise” question above as exhibit A. I guess that makes this Exhibit B
And that is why the far rightwing is getting testy. IMO
I think it is wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have reduced yourself to a mirror image of hook. You have whined and complained that the war on fox started by your guy obama did not succeed. It looks like one of your personalities has finally won out and it isn’t the sane one. We have a while to go and a man that can’t get above 48%. I am not worried but I am sure the rant you will post in response to this will show your true self.
Thanks Kay……..sorry, I do not see being compared to Hook as an insult. If that was your plan, swing and a miss.
Can anyone tell me when Obama last held a presidential press conference? You know, those meetings where the media can pose some tough questions to the POTUS. If he’s had one recently I must have missed it.
I don’t mean those off-site visits with all the smiling faces sitting behind Obama, while the media act like good little administrative assistants.
Not lately. He has done campaign stops in guise of doing his job (taxpayer funded) but nothing else that I can remember
I don’t think he really has to R10, he’s getting way too much mileage out of the Republicans right now. Why spoil a good thing?
Good point………
What ? He’s never had to , and the press dont care
Saw Sarah, followed by Newt last night. Listening to both them, you’d swear they were reading from the same script. Just as interesting, when asked what Romney needs to seal the deal with conservatives, she ‘avoided’ the question, as she always does, focusing on the other candidates instead. Can’t help but to wonder what Newt has promised her in return for her support?
‘Uncle Newt’ was alive and well last night. He almost seemed likeable, even for me. And his newest argument? That all three must win their Home States or otherwise by doomed in the race, something that both Santorum and Romney may actually struggle with. But Newt? He’s a cinch to win Georgia, and of course, that entitles him to a lot more consideration in this race even though the man loses to Obama upwards to 20%. Did get kick out of Palin though. Rick stand your ground, keeping making those remarks and show the ‘stark contrast’ between you and Obama. We would be disappointed if you didn’t. She doesn’t know Rick very well, does she? When it come to elections, he can be, shall we say, a ‘changed’ man. A pattern with him. What do you expect from a DC politician? Vetting has never been this woman’s strong suit. Obviously, there’s something in it for her, but what is it, that she’s willing take down her own party, or even a win, as a result of it?
Well…if Newt is anything like Mr. Obama, he promised her money.
I noted some excerpts from an article earlier showing how Obama used presidential earmarks profusely to get the support he needed from some Dems for his signature peices of legislation. So if US politics are consistent, then it’s likely Newt offered her money or a position of power…at least if we use Obama’s tactics as a template.
Personally, I think it’s some type of appointment. Most politicians are known for that, standard procedure. Still find it funny that Newt balanced the Federal Budget on the back of Social Security, the very same thing that the GOP ‘establishment’ has done lately with the tax cuts. Yet, Newt is the ‘outsider’ in this race, the ‘anti-establishment’ candidate. He’s different somehow. Who dipped more into Social Security, the current GOP establishment, or the one that Newt and Santorum belonged to?
I thought Clinton “balanced” the budget???
The SSA tax cuts were the R’s idea? Link?
The SSA trust fund? It’s been 100% tapped by every POTUS and party since congress gave itself the authority to do so. That might be why it’s full of government IOUs right now instead of cash like FDR promised the world it would be…ya think?
I thought Newt balanced the Budget. At least, that’s what he keeps telling us, which is it? I get so confused.
Newt looked good last night , I saw him in passing , but noticed the healthier look about him too . Maybe even a hair cut ?
Noticed the same thing last night, he looked like ‘Uncle Newt’ again. I thought it might be some type of Meds. He did look good, best I’ve ever seen him.
Aztekclub says:
February 22, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Wow Im stunned..we are In a crappy economy.. but we’ve had 23 months of job growth.. yer not gonna win in the economy if this keeps up.
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Obama does not deserve another term says:
February 22, 2012 at 12:39 pm
What did Obama promise about unemployment if we let him spend more than a TRILLION dollars of money we didn’t have?
I’ll wait right here for your answer Mr. Aztek
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Aztekclub says:
February 22, 2012 at 12:42 pm
23 months of job growth
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Obama does not deserve another term says:
February 22, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Your free to provide the answer anytime now Mr. Aztek.
Or will this be one of those cases where once a liberal in cornered in his own failed logic he’ll start trying to change the subject?
Well sir, which is going to be?
Aztekclub says:
February 22, 2012 at 12:54 pm
So you’re mad that it didn’t improve as fast as he had originally hoped? You gotta remember he had NO help from the republicans intact they blocked him every way they could
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Ok, so you’re going to continue to dodge the question and attempt to redirect the discussion?
Come on now Mr. Aztek…what did Mr. Obama promise to us if we let him spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS?
That we would be able to replace him. That is exactly what we will do.
So your point is that since it went up before it went down he’s a bad guy … even though the right blocked anything he tried to do to make sure that he could honor that investment… it worked but slower than hoped due to the republican BS
Why do you answer her question but not mine sir?
Republicans my ass. He had two years with both houses of congress. Only a fool can blame the Rs.
One word Kelli..”Fillibuster”
Wow…you’ll convince yourself of just about anything.
Tell us, was it republican “fillibuster” that made it so hard for Obama to pass his healthcare and spending agenda?
No azzy, he has always been a bad guy imo, before and after
Oh and Barb..this is the ultrasound Virginia is looking to require … http://www.mayoclinic.com/images/image_popup/mcdc7_transvaginal_ultrasound.jpg
I need to see where they are proposing that this is the ultra sound to use. this is not the ultrasound required before approval of an abortion.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated_for_no_medical_reason.html
Transvaginall sonargrams are usually used for early stages if pregnancy.
Meaning the usual time for an abortion
Azzie,
How many times have you been pregnant?
Gee how many women were involved in writing the bill?
I’m against the bill. However, I do know you don’t have to do an ultrasound vaginally.
One woman and about 15 guys sponsored the bill..and kellie.. transvaginal sonorgrams are generally used during the first 12part weeks of pregnancy when most abortions are done
I was wrong. That is what they want to use. Instead they should use the non invasive ultrasound. You will get the same results. I just wish they would outlaw abortions altogether. Murder is murder no matter what age the child is.
The non-intrusive one doesn’t work until later in a pregnancy… but thank you for saying you were wrong on something
Bullshit. No other word for it but lies and bullshit.
Well kellie even Barb had to admit that the transvaginal would happen since its earlier in the pregnancy
Note her willingness to admit to being wrong…
Now contrast that with your consistent refusal to answer questions and/or outright dodge them.
Notice any differences?
Um… its a rarity for her to do that..but thanks for ruining my trying to be nice to someone who calls me a liar on a daily basis
Um… its a rarity for her to do that..but thanks for ruining my trying to be nice to someone who calls me a liar on a daily basis
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003779.htm
Sir, I didn’t “ruin” anything for you. I pointed out your own unwillingness to act in the manner you just thanked her for acting in with you.
How does that “ruin” your moment?
Never mind, you haven’t answered any of the questions I’ve posed to you this morning, why start now?
It is “non invasive” keep up
Inserting a probe into your hoot is invasive
You know what irks me as a math nerd. When people produce graphs with floors of gigantic numbers to make the difference seem greater.
I just looked at the two graphs above , not sure what you mean ?
Good point, and true. But one can still use them to observe trends.
You need the larger graph due to the lower comprehension level of the graph’s intended receipients.
So since the graphs are from rightie sites…. The righties don’t have the comprehension level?
No silly. They are provided by righty sites to righties like us because these sites know we’re going to be (to borrow a phrase from GB) arguing with idiots.
Can you pin point what is wrong with those graphs?
They’re skewing the perceptive view for political purposes. Take the labor force one for example, 67% to 63%.
Not a real big drop actually. Setup a line chart with 0 as the floor and 100 as the ceiling and watch how that slope flattens out.
Sure…but the trend is easy to observe in this format.
I do business analysis for a living. This sort of data bench marking is not inconsistent with what we use on a regular basis.
Hey , where is the real written legislation cuz I just found this
The “Women’s Right to Know Act” requires that abortion providers read a government-prepared script to all women seeking abortion care at least 24 hours before the abortion. The script includes reference to abortion alternatives, abortion risks, pregnancy risks, and pregnancy support agencies. A state-sponsored website and literature on alternatives to abortion are available to patients seeking more information on fetal development or continuing the pregnancy.
This law now includes a provision requirring providers to inform women of the opportunity to view or decline to view the ultrasound image, if an ultrasound is performed.
http://www.whcwva.com/wv_abortionlaws.html
“This law now includes a provision requirring providers to inform women of the opportunity to view or decline to view the ultrasound image,”
It is the type of ultrasound they want to use.
In Virginia they want to use the invasive probe…
If true , I know from experience , the woman is the one who does the placing of the ultrasound instrument and all the direction from the tech , as to left or right etc . is done by her , not the tech .
They mayo clinic picture showing the proceedure didn’t indicate that
I can only speak from experience
I am looking for the text of the actual Virginia bill .. cannot find it yet
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+ful+SB484S1
“B. Except in the case of a medical emergency, at least 24 hours before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age. If the pregnant woman lives at least 100 miles from the facility where the abortion is to be performed, the fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services shall be performed at least two hours before the abortion. The ultrasound image shall be made pursuant to standard medical practice in the community, contain the dimensions of the fetus, and accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs of the fetus, if present or viewable. Determination of gestational age shall be based upon measurement of the fetus in a manner consistent with standard medical practice in the community in determining gestational age. When only the gestational sac is visible during ultrasound imaging, gestational age may be based upon measurement of the gestational sac. A print of the ultrasound image shall be made to document the measurements that have been taken to determine the gestational age of the fetus.
C. The qualified medical professional performing fetal ultrasound imaging pursuant to subsection B shall offer the woman an opportunity to view and receive a printed copy of the ultrasound image and hear auscultation of fetal heart tone and shall obtain from the woman written certification that this opportunity was offered and whether or not it was accepted and, if applicable, verification that the pregnant woman lives at least 100 miles from the facility where the abortion is to be performed. A printed copy of the ultrasound image shall be maintained in the woman’s medical record at the facility where the abortion is to be performed for the longer of (i) seven years or (ii) the extent “
“Except in the case of a medical emergency, at least 24 hours before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age…..”
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So , wouldnt they have to determine the gestational age for a legal abortion anyway by ultrasound ? Abort is not legal in all stages ( thank goodness ) in every state
Since rransvaginal is the procedure used early in pregnancies that will be the type used.. plus the woman is offered to see the results..but she HAS to have the probe to get the abortion
For the reason stated above . The age of the baby must be determined to even see if its legal to perform I would imagine .
You that could figure that out from the Question when was your last period..asp..if she’s so far along as to wonder if its too late fir an abortion you COULD use the less invasive technique
I am sure Doctors need real proof not the guess of a young period which are often eratic , and also the placement of the head , where they will be killing the baby etc.
LeftyBill says:
February 22, 2012 at 9:42 am
And I think it is very telling that when confronted with this wide range of opposition, not only do we have a rightwing war on voting rights, but we have had a conservative SCOTUS pass a ridiculous law allwoing unlimited money going to campaigns. Sorry R10, it seems to me they realize they cannot win it, so they are trying to buy it.
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TRYING to buy it ? right now , 1,000,000 one dollar donations by 1,000,000 different people can be trumped by ONE rich guy making one donation . pretty disgusting .
Anyone who believes EITHER side does not try to buy elections really shouldn’t be talking about politics
But apparently the right is cool with the government mandating an invasive procedure… in the Virginia law if a woman refused to have the probe she cannot terminate the pregnancy
Abortion is an issue between a man, a woman, their doctors, and if they are people of faith- their clergy…at most it is an issue for the States to decide on an individual basis. The fed has no business being in it what-so-ever.
Both the left’s “solution” AND this one are equally out of line.
State’s Rights again.
In the words of the Great George Thomas after the battle of Chatanooga. “Nope, mix them up, I am sick of state’s rights”. I concur George.
We are a NATION, not a collection of 50 seperate countries.
The Constitution does not agree with you.
But then, you often take positions at odds with the founding law of the country, so I’m not surprised.
Again sir, don’t move to Georgia if you don’t like the law. Don’t move to Cali if you don’t like restricted gun rights, don’t move to Massachusettes if you don’t like being manadated to buy insurance.
Get over yourself sir. You have no right to ASSUME or IMPOSE your will on issues of basic rights such as these.
You “50 little countries” argument is quaint, but a complete dodge and attempt at redirecting the conversation. Probably not going to work on me
Apparently the left is cool with the govt mandating free birth control and other procedures, no co-pay, no deductible, nada. Becomes a slippery slope, doesn’t it.
Big difference between making BC available if you want to use it as opposed to the government forcing a woman to go through a procedure
A mandate is a mandate. There is no “degree”.
Mandating a choice vs mandating an invasive procedure.
Yer right..they are EXACTLY the same
A mandate is a mandate. The difference lies only in a person’s perception of the mandate.
Agree to disagree………find a BIG difference with having some available for those WHO WANT it (not forced on anyone), and shoving a probe up some ladies vagina to satisfy someone else’s religous views. Find them much, much different. As I said, agree to disagree I guess.
READ THE BILL , its above , the doctors must have the ultrasound to determine the correct age of the baby in the womb . As you know abort is not legal at all ages
You wouldn’t use the transvaginal technique if the pregnancy is that far along
I have an give me an effing break on that rationalization. Once again, just who is forcing faith on another. So some lady who is 3 weeks pregnant has to have a rod shoved up her because of someone else’s religous beleifs…………but it is the left who is attack faith. Give me a break.
PLUS……..NO EXEMPTION for Rape………….so guess what, the rape victim gets something placed INSIDE of her involuntary AGAIN. Oh yeah, great concept of freedom there.
I love this social issue thingies………going to make November all that easier. For one thing that I am supposing that Fox and rightwing media is NOT telling you is that the majority of VIRGINIANS OPPOSE this. Yeah…….like they matter.
Virginia voters, by wide margins, want to retain the state’s landmark one-handgun-a-month law and oppose mandating that a woman receive an ultrasound before having an abortion, according to a new poll.
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/feb/19/tdmain01-poll-finds-most-back-status-quo-ar-1700089/
Oh Kelli I hear Georgia congresswomen are putting forward a ban on elective vasectomies in your state
Does that bother you?
Don’t move to Georgia.
Problem solved for you. No charge, this time.
You lost your state’s rights battle in 1865. Get over it. That may have made sense when we used horses and wagon trains to move from state to state, but we the nature of business, often employees do NOT have the option of turning down a move. That is why those of us who live in this century understand there must be some standardaization of basic rights, no matter where you live. Again………you lost in 1865, get over it.
Plus I think Jefferson Davis said it best, “The Confederacy was done to death by State’s Right’s”.
It amazes me that the far right would somehow think having people think of themselves as a Georgian or a Oklahoma, rather than an American is GOOD for this nation. I do not. That is why I will BATTLE the far right everyday on this issue. To me, it is an anathema to the sacrifices so many Americans made to UNITE us. Something the far rightwing would undo with the stroke of a pen.
Then you don’t have to move to Georgia either Mr. LeftyBill. Get over yourself…
Next advice will be billed at regular billable rates.
Btw.. its a democrat bill to show the stupidity of anti-BC bills
D…R… doesn’t matter to me Mr. Aztek.
The fed simply has no place in such personal decisions as this. If this is what Georgia chooses to do, then it is what it is.
The bill hasn’t passed yet, has it? If it has, I myself wouldn’t move to Georgia either. I don’t support abortion, I just don’t like governments getting involved to this degree.
Pretty sure a Georgia congresswoman can’t do shit in my state.
True..for some reason I thought you were in Georgia
Still the strangest thing of all about this Race…
Despite Santorum’s Lead, Romney Viewed as Most Electable
In a separate USA Today/Gallup survey conducted Feb. 16-19, all Americans were asked which of the two candidates — Romney or Santorum — they believed would have the best chance of beating Barack Obama in November. Overall, 54% of Americans named Romney and 29% chose Santorum.
Fewer Republicans are undecided on this issue, leaving 58% who say Romney has the best chance of beating Obama, while 32% choose Santorum
Democrats feel the same way, 52% Romney, 27% Santorum. If only this race was about being elected the President of the Republican Party, but it isn’t. And with it, all it’s consequences.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152840/Santorum-Expands-Lead-Romney-Gets-Electability-Vote.aspx
Have been telling you for some time now Mr. RW…Just because the pundits believe Romney is the best man for the repubs, doesn’t mean the repubs believe he is the best man for repubs.
I think the conservative tilt we saw in 10 wasn’t a fluke or an overreaction…In a very real sense, it was a big part of the country wanting to see something truly resembling classic liberalism in their government.
Just my opinion of course.
Strange I see it completely as a fluke. Probably why “Tea Party” is one of the most negative labels you can place on someone these days. I have heard NO ONE say, Wow, we sure have a GREAT House of Reprsentatives now……nope, that statement has never crossed my ears.
Of course you do Mr. LeftyBill.
I mean, the people have a such a long list of ‘positives’ to witness from your form of left wing extremism…right???
I would suggest to you that word “liberal” is now, and has always historically been, the most feared and loathed political “label” anyone can have foisted on them in this country. Your whole party ran from that label in the early 80′s and has refused to allow themselves to publicly labeled as such ever since.
Me thinks you are reflecting again
They might if the senate would quit tabling everything they do.
These are ‘real’ voters that are being surveyed. Don’t you think a few of them might want Romney over Santorum for whatever reason? A 2 to 1 margin should never be ignored, especially in the political arena. Why do people feel that way? Could it be that some might think that one is a lot more qualified than the other? I do. You can only hold your nose so much. Santorum blamed Bush for losing his re-election in Pennslvania by 20 points. Did you ever think that there might be something else to do with it? Still think Santorum’s an accident waiting to happen. The only question is, will it happen before the nomination, or after it? Do you really want to find out?
Ok…doesn’t change the situation as viewed by repubs though, I imagine. It would appear they really are leery of nominating a liberal and Mr. Romney has that label, fair or not.
No, I think you need to run Rick………I really do.
Time to see what America really wants,someone from the far right, or someone kind of in the middle. If they do NOT pick Rick, understand the far righties will complain that is why you will lose in November.
Thankfully, the Far Right of the Tea Party have offered the GOP a lose-lose scenario. I love it.
I agree.. let’s make the starkest difference between the two candidates as possible
Absolutely!!!
Let’s make sure we draw stark comparisons between the state of the economy before Obama and after him as well.
Doesn’t matter who runs against Obama…
His own record is going to be his downfall. We can tell this by your refusal to discuss it in preferance for tearing down people who haven’t even been nominated to run yet.
Gingrich’s polls would seem to disagree with this, he’d be trounced upwards to 20%.
Sure…and the current state of the economy would seem to suggest that there’s no way in He11 Obama can win.
You do recall the Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, and Bush 2 elections, yes?
I recall a lot of pontificating early in the race about how neither Obama nor Hillary could be unifying enough to win…and yet, it was the crappy economy that sunk all the losers and elevated the unlikely folks to victory.
..and in all of those previous cases the economy was in far better shape than it is now. It stupifies me that you, or anyone really, can so obviously ignore such hard historical data. It is not fleeting, as polls often are.
Barb, I don’t feel being compared to Hook is an insult, so if that was your plan, swing and a miss. Hell, I miss his passion, just not his language.
But thanks again Kay.
That is ridiculous and says alot about your ability to discern what is going on with a person lb .
No, just fact. Congrats on your downgrade.
LeftyBill says:
February 22, 2012 at 9:43 am
Yeah…and to carry this to a win, all liberals have to do is get voters to ignore the economy…
Interesting chart Obama Does……..you do realize the last entry is 2007, and the President took over in 2009? Just asking.
But nice to see the Heritage graph watcher is on the case.
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another shiny picture with bad data , eh ?
whodathunkit ..
Nope, another shiny picture with the info that’s going sink your man in 8 months.
There’s lots more data where that came from…wanna see it?
No, I guess you wouldn’t want to see any real data would you?
Aztekclub says:
February 22, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Since rransvaginal is the procedure used early in pregnancies that will be the type used.. plus the woman is offered to see the results..but she HAS to have the probe to get the abortion
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Ive had many many meals with him ! says:
February 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm
For the reason stated above . The age of the baby must be determined to even see if its legal to perform I
LeftyBill says:
February 22, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Agree to disagree………find a BIG difference with having some available for those WHO WANT it (not forced on anyone), and shoving a probe up some ladies vagina to satisfy someone else’s religous views. Find them much, much different. As I said, agree to disagree I guess.
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Ive had many many meals with him ! says:
February 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm
READ THE BILL , its above , the doctors must have the ultrasound to determine the correct age of the baby in the womb . As you know abort is not legal at all ages
Then , the woman is not forced , but offered a chance to view the results
She’s still forced to undergo the procedure weather she sees the results or not.. if she’s in the 3rd trimester shed be showing.. and they could use the less intrusive technique..transvaginal is for early pregnancy under 12 weeks
Oh well then, that makes getting a rod shoved up your vagina alright then, if you don’t have to look at the results……….THEN WHY DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? Yeah, that makes sense.
I’m against the bill, but fyi… Supporters of the bill also argued that most abortion providers perform ultrasounds before the procedure as standard medical practice.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/22/virginia-legislature-expected-to-debate-ultrasound-bill/?ref=us
Thanks for link Aztek , for the actual text of the Virginia bill
A little tidbit MISSING from rightwing media is that the majority of VIRGINIANS OPPOSE this. Hell pass this, and I think you just about not only ensured Virginia stays Blue, but might also pick up the State House again. Funny thing about us Virginias, we remember when our elected leaders follow their wishes and NOT OURS.
Virginia voters, by wide margins, want to retain the state’s landmark one-handgun-a-month law and oppose mandating that a woman receive an ultrasound before having an abortion, according to a new poll.
Another measure that could reach the governor would require women to undergo an ultrasound before having an abortion. Of those polled, 55 percent say they oppose the requirement and 36 percent support it. The House and Senate have passed versions of the legislation.
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/feb/19/tdmain01-poll-finds-most-back-status-quo-ar-1700089/
POLL: Should the state force a woman to have an ultrasound before an abortion?
Bad idea. Whatever you think about abortion, this is an unnecessary medical test and the government should not be trying to dissuade women from having a legal procedure. (224 responses)
81%
Good idea. It isn’t an attempt to stop abortions. It is necessary to determine the gestational age of the fetus. (26 responses)
9%
Great idea. Even if the ultrasound has no value whatsoever, I’m in favor of anything that makes it harder for a woman to get an abortion. (20 responses)
7%
If the ultrasound is non-invasive, I’m OK with it. But it involves insertion, no way. (7 responses)
3%
http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-nws-abortion-ultrasound-poll,0,3212942.poll
“this is an unnecessary medical test and the government should not be trying to dissuade women from having a legal procedure”
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As you SHOULD know. This is why the poll is flawed . It SHOULD be asked with regard to the ACTUAL bill ( age of the baby )
Because the bill IS set up to dissuade women from having a legal proceedure
Horse Hockey, don’t sell me burgers and call it prime rib. This is NOTHING more than an attempt by the far right to make it more difficult for women already having a difficult time. Take that snowjob to Fox.
And you guys don’t believe that independent voters wont see this as a massive conservative over reach?
As long as no lefties lie about the bill , it will be ok
They already are…………I just love all this social issue stuff………pretty much handing us the election.
Mr Aztek said this a D bill and it is all the D’s here arguing how horrible it is…
Contradict yerself much?
Poll Question
Posted to: News
Should Virginia require that women undergo ultrasound imaging prior to having an abortion?
Yes
23% (487 votes)
No
75% (1570 votes)
Not sure
2% (39 votes)
Oh Yeah, it is the WILL of the people alright. Thanks McConnel and crew, think you just gave my homestate back to me. Appreciate it.
Well sir, if accurate what are you fussing about?
Looks like it wouldn’t pass.
Nope, Virginia’s voting oldies gave us quite the bevy of TPers in 2010, who seem to think they know what is best for us. But thankfully, come 2012, 2010 is one mistake we can correct.
2008 is another that we WILL correct.
LeftyBill says:
February 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I have an give me an effing break on that rationalization.
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Rationalization ? You dont think a doctor would like to be sure of the age ? I know I would and any reputable doctor would . Also , there is more they can learn from the ultrasound than the age .
Rationalization . You are piece of work
Yes, rationalization. Tell us Robin, why should a women who just found out she is pregnant, pretty much knows HER OWN cycle, and wishes to not have the child have to go through with this……FOR YOUR RELIGOUS views, and NOT HERS.
Spin it all you want……….find a government shoving things up a women’s hoochie far more intrusive that anything related to money.
SO the doctors can determine the age of the baby . read much ..
Yeah………..horse hockey.
I cant believe you . disgusting
If you all want to make abortion illegal…….power to you. Would probably celebrate. But in the interim, I find it very, very distasteful that those who are NOT affected feel they have the RIGHT to insert themselves into someone else’s family issue.
And NO exemptions for rape or incest………..that is just vile. Making a rape victim get a vaginal probe for someone else’s religious view…………vile. IMO
What did the baby do?
What baby??????? At less than 6 weeks fetal development, I do not consider that a baby. But what did the Mom do to deserve being forced to carry to term because of someone else’s religious views. Just who is forcing relgion on whom?
You “do not concur” huh?
How nice
So I guess the rest of the world should just shut up because you don’t consider it a baby. What an arrogant ____ you are.
No I guess you all should let these women make UP THEIR own minds, without little mindtricks. Once again, who is forcing what on whom????????? Think about it.
Lots of things are vile . A doctor wanting to know the age of the baby seems right . He should know .
You are all lefty drama , with hopes of obscuring the real facts . That is vile
Can’t they determine the age with blood tests?
“Fetal development is evaluated through ultrasound, amniocentesis and blood tests. These tests also measure the weight of the fetus and estimate delivery time. Ultrasound and blood tests are the most common fetal development tests. High-risk pregnancies or unusual ultrasound findings require an amniocentesis follow-up.
http://www.tree.com/health/pregnancy-information-fetal-development-ultrasound-testing.aspx
ROBIN… transvaginal ultrasounds are primarally used only early in a pregnancy usually in the first 12 weeks only its the intrusive forcing of an intrusive procedure Im objecting to
It sounds to me that you and others don’t want any obstruction with regard to killing a baby. Showing the mother a ultrasound and letting her hear the babies heartbeat will not hurt anyone. Not doing will for sure kill that baby. How do you know that the mother isn’t being pressured into an abortion? YOU DON’T. Those that love the thought of killing a baby doesn’t want the mother to have a choice.
This is the big lefty debate topic ( s) . That is what they want to lie and obscure , its all they have . You guys should think about that
How can you be against Obamacare and for this bill? It’s a complete contradiction.
I am against mid to late term abortions , and it is illegal at different stages in different states . How can the doctor be sure of the age of the baby without tests ?
You didn’t answer the question. We aren’t talking about mid to late term abortions.
One is about a medical proceedure and the tests the doctors want and do .
The difference as I understand it , is the OFFERING of the viewing and listening of the ultra sound , to the patient . Not even mandatory for them to see the test .
( I think a doctor would be doing an ultrasound anyway from the med links I looked at )
Obcare , is mandating a purchase
Aztekclub says:
February 22, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Mandating a choice vs mandating an invasive procedure.
Yer right..they are EXACTLY the same
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A mandate is not a choice by it’s very nature. I’m starting to see why you refuse to answer questions now.
Sure the BC thing is a choice.. no one forces you to use it but if you CHOOSE to use it its available to you..
It is available. To anybody. At any time. In many cases free from PP.
No its not ..Pp doesn’t just pass out BC pills for free
I didn’t say pills now did I?
It’s not a choice if you and Mr. Obama force religious orgs to make it available against their will.
You’ll dodge, twist, and spin this for sure in your next post, but it won’t change the fact that you’re simply being duplicitous and self contradictory
Churches were exempted .. church affiliated businesses functioning in the secular market employing and serving people of all religions and taking government money is a different matrer
No, it’s the same matter. It’s just that if you didn’t try to draw that distinction, you wouldn’t have any argument at all to stand on.
Even a poor argument is better than none at all…right?
LeftyBill says:
February 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm
They already are…………I just love all this social issue stuff………pretty much handing us the election.
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First thing you said that is true .
You are all about lying , you like hype , keeping the truth hidden .
Yes, I understand Robin. Over the last six months if someone does NOT agree with you it is either a lie or a conspiracy. Got it.
Couldn’t be that a large number of Americans understand and DISAGREE with your positions. Nope, perish the thought……that is an impossibility in Conservopia, everyone must see things our way, once WE have told them how to think about things. Passsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
NO . YOU DID IT AGAIN . My post showed all you loved was the social issue and lying about it to win
Get off of it lb. You are being a piss ant and a liar.
Looks like we’ve finally found a government mandate that the left can’t accept.
Maybe now you’ll understand, at least a little bit, why some here want as little government in our lives as possible.
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Obama does not deserve another term says: February 22, 2012 at 1:08 pm
..and Dick Cheney has what to do with the people posting on this forum???
Because He was partially in charge of the reins when the Right was in control.. Then he said REAGAN proved that deficits don’t matter.. meaning supplyside economics proved that deficits don’t matter.. that was THEN the system that got us into this mess.. NOW all of a sudden the right thinks that deficits DO matter and apparently suddenly its anti-supplyside and anti-Reagan
Seriously Mr. Aztek? You want me to address all these distraction issues when you’ve outright ignored at least four direct question I’ve posed to you this morning alone???
Really?
I was wrong about Mr. LeftyBill…he should not get over himself, you should get over yourself.
Not sure if that is an insult or a compliment.
Can’t they both ? fair is fair
Right you seem to think that since unemployment at first went up to over 10%the that somehow it proves that Obama’s stimulus didn’t work.. but 23the months of continuous job growth says otherwise
…and yet again you dodge the issue, ignore the question, and attempt to change the subject.
When you are ready to debate honestly, you let me know.
I’ll wait right here…